Saturn And The Crow

This post is about a very interesting talk that was given by Joshua Klein on Crows and their intelligence, on the TEDtalks website.  It has particularly fascinating information for Astrologers, as the crow has a symbolic association with the planet Saturn, and this video unintentionally demonstrates that affinity very well.


The nine planets in Jyotish are said to produce all the many things in the world and in nature by mixing and blending their influences.  Each planet is a “karaka”, or producer, of a particular concrete thing in someone’s life. For example, Saturn “produces” one’s servants.  So in ancient times, if a King wanted to know how his servants would be, and whether they would work honestly and dilligently, or whether they would be dishonest and lazy, the skilled astrologer would look to the condition of the planet Saturn.  The astrologer would look at other things too, but the producer of that correlating archetype in the physical world is very important.  For learning about the King’s soldiers or ministers, we would look to Mars and Venus, respectively.  There are many other factors the astrologer would look at, but this is perhaps the most important.  Another way to say it is that one has to look at the planetary archetype that matches the physical entity in one’s life and “as above, so below”.  So if there is a difficult Saturn “above” in the heavens at this king’s birth, then there will be difficult servants “below” in this person’s experience of an earthly incarnation. This is a foundational concept in the occult sciences in both the east and western cultures.  It can be a hard thing to comprehend, so if it is difficult to grasp, just imagine it for now.

If you study astrology, then you probably know that crows relate to the planet Saturn and should watch the video first and observe the similarities yourself.  If not, then you can read this list of congruencies and hopefully begin to appreciate this connection.

I will list some of the archetypal synchronizations I noticed below:

  •  To begin with, the speaker, Joshua Klein, has a simple, intelligent, and capable look to him. These are the qualities of a strongly placed saturn.  He wears a black t-shirt without a logo. Saturn is related to the color black, and is mythically said to have a black or dark complexion. He even tells a bit of a “dark” joke about the Alfred Hitchcock movie, The Birds.  These traditions of Saturn relating to the color black is still evident in the Jewish tradition, where on the holy day, the Sabbath, they traditionally where black.  The Sabbath is Saturday, which is the day of the planet Saturn.  The spelling makes it obvious, but all the days of the week are actually related to the planets.
  •  He says that he began his interest and research in crows when a friend at a cocktail party tells him that they are useless and should be killed. His very saturnian response to it is that they could probably be trained or used in some way that is more helpful for human life.  This is very evident of a strong Saturn, while Joshua’s  friend displays the typical pessimism of a poorly placed Saturn, Joshua says “no”, and decides to think differently about the matter.  Saturn’s astrological role as a planet is to help that person become who they need to be so that they may do what they need to do to help the world the most.  So right away Joshua is looking at what could be viewed as an annoying pest, and seeing how it could potentially be turned into an animal that actually makes life more bearable and enjoyable.
  • At about 3 minutes into the video, he shows an amazing clip of a crow bending a metal wire into a hook to get a worm out of a tube in a science experiment, which the crow had never seen done before, showing great ingenuity and inventiveness.  At 4 minutes in, he states that the brain of a crow is in proportion to the brain of the chimpanzee.  Saturn is found well placed in the charts of Inventors and people who are somehow improving the quality of life for everyone.
  • The clip of the crow at the five minute mark, with its clever trick of letting the car crack the nut for it, demonstrates patience, a key attribute of Saturn. Taking 30 years to go through the zodiac, it is the slowest of the main planets, symbolizing patience and endurance.  A squirrel would never be able to wait that long.  Also, it is said that the difficult karma that Saturn brings out in a chart can tend to afflict one the longest, because of its slow movement through each sign over 2.5 years.  Sounds familiar to the story about the crows hassling the scientists, and remembering them even months and years later!
  • He makes a strong point overall about how crows seem to actually benefit from cleaning up our human societies messes and roadkill, and that when trained can actually help us clean up debris from events or find lost change.  Saturn’s role in the medical aspect of astrology is quite similar, ruling the immune system.  Saturn is the planet that is responsible for removing waste from the body, keeping off disease, and is said to rule our longevity. Here we see evidence that crows are cleaning the city streets in an analogous way.

Overall I think this video is fascinating even without respect to Jyotish, but for those with interest in astrology and mythological symbolism, you can see there is much to be appreciated between the Crow and the planet Saturn.  And by appreciating the symbolic value of our environment and the life around us, we can feel more like we are a part of something greater than our little self.  In this way, mythological symbolism can have therapeutic properties for our minds.

If you notice any other interesting astrological correlations between the behavior of crows and the symbolism of the planet Saturn, please share below in the comments section.


Photos: Mythological image of the graha Saturn, said to ride upon a crow or vulture.

13 thoughts on “Saturn And The Crow

  1. Hi Corey,

    I thoroughly enjoyed this post! I’ve been telling my clients for years to feed the crows on Saturdays when they have a poorly dignified Saturn and I wrote an article myself on them that you may enjoy also :-)

    Maybe we can do some kind of Saturn/Crow collaboration project in the future. A book maybe or a series of videos, a course on Saturn perhaps? Just a thought… love your site!

    1. Glad you liked it! I would love to do a collaborative crow project, I wonder what the best medium would be for that? One thing I want to do is an article like this one, but based on a wonderful documentary called A Murder of Crows I believe. You may want to watch that, its so easy to appreciate all the connections they unintentionally reveal in this documentary…. Maybe you would like to do a commentary with me on this documentary. I am confident that when you or other astrologers watch it they will be amazed at the synchronicities to Saturn. (Pun intended, Chronos (Saturn) being the root of “SynCHRONicities”).

      1. Hi Corey,

        I found the movie on Netflix and it’s in my Queue. I’ll watch it and take notes, I really like the idea of doing a “commentary” on the movie, that sounds like a lot of fun :-) I’ve also been thinking about crows as a symbol of Rahu because Ernst Wilhelm says they are Rahu. They are inventive, mysterious, associated with magic, and definitely wild. Maybe we can talk about how they represent both Saturn & Rahu? What do you think of this?
        The most important thing about doing this project is that it would be fun, watching crows do funny and intelligent things is completely delightful :-)

        1. Yes I think that would be fun. I have never heard of or thought about the idea that they are Rahu but Rahu is very similar to Saturn anyway. I am always open to what Ernst has to say of course! So yes I am open to that.
          I hope you enjoy that film as much as I did, let me know what you think!

        2. Hi Corey,

          I finally saw the movie, A Murder of Crows (there is another film noir movie by the name too, btw) and found it delightful and fascinating. While watching it I got inspired to look up some charts of famous people, such as Tippy Hedren, the star actress of Hitchcock’s movie “The Birds.” Let me know when you’d like to do some kind of fun conversation/video, something-or-other on Saturn/Rahu, crows, ravens, and remedial measures. I’m available pretty much any time.

  2. yes, i was really wondering about crows , how much beneficial they can prove to be for human society, and of course being as a carrier of the strongest karmic planet i.e shani, they themselves are pretty much important and need to get taken care of well

    1. I agree, to take care of the crows is to take care of our strongest karmic energy.

      It is a traditional remedy to feed the crows on Saturday, in India. So I think you are correct in seeing that correlation and that they need to be taken care of as well.

  3. Interesting article , I always look for symbolism in the nature ….
    My experience with the crows…
    As an Indian , we were always told that crows are our ancestors ( Saturn rules elders ) and when ever we would go to visit a family temple crows would come and start cawing …my dad would say …nice the elders have come to bless us !!! As a kid I always felt them to be just stories….
    Me being a Capricorn rising , I always found Saturn revolve around important decision in my life without realising…
    Few years back I started feeding crows …. happened just like that initially only a few came then the steady stream increased and they would wait everyday for food …
    I began observing how intelligent they were …when I would feed them they would carry their food to the water…( Which I placed for all the birds ) wash the food and then eat them …. Maybe it’s to remove the dust or the ants which would stick on …and there would be youngsters too being fed by their parents !!
    I don’t know if it’s true but I definitely feel an inner peace after I began feeding them …sort of a calmness within …..
    But I surely believe that they represent shani !!!
    Thank you for the wonderful article….
    Love and light ,

    1. I am glad you enjoyed the article :)
      Thank you so much for sharing this as it does make sense and fits with what was written above. Yes Shani is really the planet that gives real deep and lasting peace. So maybe you were feeling that. Who knows!

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